I agree with Jack on the part about taxes. I'm already taxed when I get my pay check why should i be taxed when I spend it. As far as trying to get people in shape I completely disagree. Riddle the world with failure and we shall fail as a whole.
_RemiX Wrote:I agree with Jack on the part about taxes. I'm already taxed when I get my pay check why should i be taxed when I spend it. As far as trying to get people in shape I completely disagree. Riddle the world with failure and we shall fail as a whole.
If you never fail, you never succeed. If you think a few high ups in the government know what's best for all the people of a nation, you are greatly mistaken. The US government has more failures in a day than most people have in a lifetime.
JackMonroe Wrote:_RemiX Wrote:I agree with Jack on the part about taxes. I'm already taxed when I get my pay check why should i be taxed when I spend it. As far as trying to get people in shape I completely disagree. Riddle the world with failure and we shall fail as a whole.
If you never fail, you never succeed. If you think a few high ups in the government know what's best for all the people of a nation, you are greatly mistaken. The US government has more failures in a day than most people have in a lifetime.
Exactly and we have failed long enough time to make changes so our country can be healthy. Thank you for proving my point Jack.
JackMonroe Wrote:Let people eat what they want. Why do you care what other people eat anyway? Government should have absolutely no say in this matter. It's stupid. I really don't know why you would want someone telling you what you can and can't eat. Pisses me right off. If you want to be skinny, eat right and exorcise. Don't blame the world around you.
I believe that the government should step in to prevent profit-driven industries from manipulating the masses into eating unhealthy. There has to be some form of control.
The first thing they should do is to shut down restaurants like this.
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Heard someone got an actual heart-attack in that restaurant.
_RemiX Wrote:Exactly and we have failed long enough time to make changes so our country can be healthy. Thank you for proving my point Jack.
The only reason people don't take care of themselves, is because the government keeps doing it for them. People get used to it to the point where they expect it. Just like big banks and corporations, if they can't take care of themselves, I don't think the government should step in and help them. But it has gotten to the point where they expect it. We don't need bailouts for fat people. People that don't do a good job should fail. You guys keep saying, "oh it's not your fault, fat people, it's that damned McDonalds". Well that is a lie, it is their fault. Don't fucking go to McDonalds. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the more the government has gotten involved with people's lives, the more fat people there are. Anyway, our country has fat people, so what? Life expectancy still gets higher? More importantly, why do you care? Go help people that don't have enough food, stop worrying about the people that have too much.
Spartacus Wrote:JackMonroe Wrote:Let people eat what they want. Why do you care what other people eat anyway? Government should have absolutely no say in this matter. It's stupid. I really don't know why you would want someone telling you what you can and can't eat. Pisses me right off. If you want to be skinny, eat right and exorcise. Don't blame the world around you.
I believe that the government should step in to prevent profit-driven industries from manipulating the masses into eating unhealthy. There has to be some form of control.
The first thing they should do is to shut down restaurants like this.
Heard someone got an actual heart-attack in that restaurant.
Forgive me for not wanting to be controlled when it comes to my diet. I enjoy a nice burger. And damnit if I want one, I don't want the god damned government telling me "No, that is unhealthy." They may as well take away Counter-strike from you as well. It is unhealthy to sit there on the computer when you could be outside exercising. They need to go and close down profit-driven companies like Valve for manipulating the masses into playing computer games instead of going outside.
People also have heart attacks in homes, bowling alleys, and parking lots. Do you think this is because those places cause heart attacks? Heart attacks aren't something caused from eating at an unhealthy restaurant one time. It happens from a lifetime of not taking care of your body or because of bad genes.
I'm surprised the article didn't say anything about how there's a direct correlation between low socioeconomic status and obesity. A huge factor in this rising number of Americans with obesity is due to our economic situation. When people are struggling to live off of 2 minimum wage jobs, they don't have the money to afford healthy food, let alone health care. Not only that, but fast food restaurants intentionally open up more restaurants in poor areas and cities - this makes sense from a business perspective, but has plenty of negative effects on the overall health of our country. So in a lot of ways, plenty of the obese people in America have no choice. If the only thing you can afford is a $3 meal from McDonald's, then what choice do you have?
JackMonroe, I abide by your Libertarian beliefs that everyone has the right to do what they want with their own body. I completely agree. But the job of the government is still to serve its citizens. And this is why I would love to see regulations put in place that would limit the amount of fast food restaurants able to open up in cities containing a poor population with low socioeconomic status. Also, in response to your question: "our country has fat people, so what?" - it's not just that we have fat people, we have the highest rate of obesity out of any other country. This tells a lot about the lack of opportunities in our country, and directly reflects our culture, health care policies, etc. We're in this together, and what good is a country if we don't look out for the well-being of one another? If I was living off of a minimum wage job in Chicago or Detroit or Miami or something like that, I would like to know that the rest of the country cares enough to make sure I have the ability to gain access to decent health care, and healthy food options. I know this is a hard concept to grasp living in such an individualistic society, but I digress.
FrostyMeds Wrote:JackMonroe, I abide by your Libertarian beliefs that everyone has the right to do what they want with their own body. I completely agree. But the job of the government is still to serve its citizens. And this is why I would love to see regulations put in place that would limit the amount of fast food restaurants able to open up in cities containing a poor population with low socioeconomic status. Also, in response to your question: "our country has fat people, so what?" - it's not just that we have fat people, we have the highest rate of obesity out of any other country. This tells a lot about the lack of opportunities in our country, and directly reflects our culture, health care policies, etc. We're in this together, and what good is a country if we don't look out for the well-being of one another? If I was living off of a minimum wage job in Chicago or Detroit or Miami or something like that, I would like to know that the rest of the country cares enough to make sure I have the ability to gain access to decent health care, and healthy food options. I know this is a hard concept to grasp living in such an individualistic society, but I digress.
It is much cheaper and healthier to just go to the grocery store. Essentially you are saying that people in the poor communities are too dumb to know better. They do know better. They just don't care. We are fat because we have no individual responsibility. In regards to a lack of opportunities in this country, that is a whole different subject that we could talk about forever, but it has nothing to do with food.
JackMonroe Wrote:FrostyMeds Wrote:JackMonroe, I abide by your Libertarian beliefs that everyone has the right to do what they want with their own body. I completely agree. But the job of the government is still to serve its citizens. And this is why I would love to see regulations put in place that would limit the amount of fast food restaurants able to open up in cities containing a poor population with low socioeconomic status. Also, in response to your question: "our country has fat people, so what?" - it's not just that we have fat people, we have the highest rate of obesity out of any other country. This tells a lot about the lack of opportunities in our country, and directly reflects our culture, health care policies, etc. We're in this together, and what good is a country if we don't look out for the well-being of one another? If I was living off of a minimum wage job in Chicago or Detroit or Miami or something like that, I would like to know that the rest of the country cares enough to make sure I have the ability to gain access to decent health care, and healthy food options. I know this is a hard concept to grasp living in such an individualistic society, but I digress.
It is much cheaper and healthier to just go to the grocery store. Essentially you are saying that people in the poor communities are too dumb to know better. They do know better. They just don't care. We are fat because we have no individual responsibility. In regards to a lack of opportunities in this country, that is a whole different subject that we could talk about forever, but it has nothing to do with food.
I'd agree with Jack on his belief that the goverment shouldn't get too involve into people's lives, "spoon feeding" them with every single need or issue. Thus taxing or prohibiting food for the purpose of combating obesity is extreme.
But the other end of the spectrum is when they do not do anything at all. Obesity has become more of a nation-wide issue rather than a personal one. Its health related, and it will relate to work performance(work activity limitations, injuries, absences). Buying food from grocery stores are cheaper and healthier. However, with fast-food joints sprouting out all over the place, it is much easier and accessible to buy a Big Mac for dinner rather than making something healthier.
I'm saying that they still have to work with the people and do something about it. Effective education would be a good step. Or buidling a physical infrastructure in neighbourhoods which encourages exercising (parks, exercise grounds)
Article on obesity on the job.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/75-001-x/20...89-eng.htm
I really just think telling people that they can't open a food place because it is unhealthy isn't the way to go about it. Especially when there is a job shortage at the moment. We need all the new businesses we can get.
To be honest, I don't think there is any cure for lazy. What you are describing is lazy. I can tell you right now, even if you have education, people will either not partake in the education or not follow it. I am reminded of the movie Horrible Bosses.
"We need to trim the fat."
"What do you mean, trim the fat?"
"Fire all the fat people."
Spartacus Wrote:JackMonroe Wrote:FrostyMeds Wrote:JackMonroe, I abide by your Libertarian beliefs that everyone has the right to do what they want with their own body. I completely agree. But the job of the government is still to serve its citizens. And this is why I would love to see regulations put in place that would limit the amount of fast food restaurants able to open up in cities containing a poor population with low socioeconomic status. Also, in response to your question: "our country has fat people, so what?" - it's not just that we have fat people, we have the highest rate of obesity out of any other country. This tells a lot about the lack of opportunities in our country, and directly reflects our culture, health care policies, etc. We're in this together, and what good is a country if we don't look out for the well-being of one another? If I was living off of a minimum wage job in Chicago or Detroit or Miami or something like that, I would like to know that the rest of the country cares enough to make sure I have the ability to gain access to decent health care, and healthy food options. I know this is a hard concept to grasp living in such an individualistic society, but I digress.
It is much cheaper and healthier to just go to the grocery store. Essentially you are saying that people in the poor communities are too dumb to know better. They do know better. They just don't care. We are fat because we have no individual responsibility. In regards to a lack of opportunities in this country, that is a whole different subject that we could talk about forever, but it has nothing to do with food.
I'd agree with Jack on his belief that the goverment shouldn't get too involve into people's lives, "spoon feeding" them with every single need or issue. Thus taxing or prohibiting food for the purpose of combating obesity is extreme.
But the other end of the spectrum is when they do not do anything at all. Obesity has become more of a nation-wide issue rather than a personal one. Its health related, and it will relate to work performance(work activity limitations, injuries, absences). Buying food from grocery stores are cheaper and healthier. However, with fast-food joints sprouting out all over the place, it is much easier and accessible to buy a Big Mac for dinner rather than making something healthier.
I'm saying that they still have to work with the people and do something about it. Effective education would be a good step. Or buidling a physical infrastructure in neighbourhoods which encourages exercising (parks, exercise grounds)
Article on obesity on the job.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/75-001-x/20...89-eng.htm
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I don't see how a grocery store is cheaper... I can get a full meal at McDonald's for $3.50 - that will get me a box of Cheez-its at a grocery store.