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Parents put childs life into "god's hands", and he dies - Spartacus - Apr 24 2013
THEY HEARD their son crying through sleepless nights, suffering with diarrhea, and when little Brandon Schaible's parents noticed his labored breathing, authorities said, they prayed over their baby until his final breath last week.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible told a judge in 2011 that they would never choose religion over medicine again after their 2-year-old son, Kent Schaible, died from bacterial pneumonia in 2009.
But on Monday, the Rhawnhurst couple sat together again in Philadelphia Common Pleas Court, silent and somber as a judge skewered them for "grossly and disastrously" violating their probation when they watched Brandon, just shy of 8 months old, die last week.
"I am sorry for your loss. Deeply sorry," Judge Benjamin Lerner told the couple. "But in all honesty, I am more sorry for the fact that this innocent little child will not be able to grow up to be what he wanted to be."
Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to the First Century Gospel Church, a fundamentalist congregation on G Street near Annsbury in Juniata Park, that believes in faith healing. The couple were convicted of involuntary manslaugher for Kent's death and sentenced to 10 years of probation that included strict requirements for medical care for their remaining children.
In court Monday, Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said the couple acknowledged that Brandon was crying, experiencing diarrhea and having trouble sleeping and breathing before he died at home Thursday. The family called a funeral home after Brandon died.
"They called here and we immediately notified the medical examiner," said Rick Fluehr of John F. Fluehr & Sons funeral home, on Cottman Avenue in Mayfair.
Alerted by the Medical Examiner's Office, police visited the couple's home on Rhawn Street near Eastwood that night, neighbors said.
The Schaibles had not been charged as of Monday night. Authorities were awaiting results of an autopsy, Pescatore said in court Monday.
The Schaibles gave statements to investigators last week, Lerner said, both admitting they believed that prayer was the best remedy for Brandon's suffering.
"When asked why you didn't call a doctor or seek a medical professional, you said, 'Because we believe God wants us to ask him for healing,' " Lerner said. "You did that once, and the consequences were tragic."
Lerner said the couple "knowingly, intentionally, hypocritically and callously violated" the most important term of their probation. But he did not detain them Monday because their remaining seven children already had been removed from the home by the Department of Human Services. The couple could face five to 10 years in prison for the probation violation.
"You are not a danger to the community," Lerner said. "You are a danger to your children."
The Schaibles declined to speak during the brief hearing and shuffled silently to the elevators at the Criminal Justice Center afterward.
Calls to the First Century Gospel Church were not returned. In the "Messages" section of the church's website, a chapter called "Healing - From God or Medicine?" cites interpretations of Scripture that supposedly bolster their beliefs in faith healing.
"Medical insurance, hospital fees, and prescription costs today are enormous," one passage says, "but a believer receives healing for free."
Rick A. Ross, a New Jersey-based researcher of religions and cults, said tougher child-welfare laws and exposure from the Internet have put more scrutiny on faith-based healing groups.
"Parents may believe whatever they want," Ross said Monday, "but that doesn't mean they can neglect their children to death in the name of God."
A neighbor of the Schaibles who did not want his name published said Herbert and Catherine Schaible are decent people who raise great kids. They just have one flaw.
"The only thing I can say bad about them is they never took them to the hospital," the man said. "They have one flaw, and this one flaw should make them go to jail."
http://articles.philly.com/2013-04-23/news/38766061_1_catherine-schaible-the-schaibles-rhawnhurst-couple
Double post
Reminded of this old joke.
Quote:[SIZE=12px]A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing. Water is surrounding the farmer’s home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up. The man in the boat says, “Jump in, and I’ll take you to safety.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.” The boat goes away. The water rises to the second story. Another boat comes up. The man says to the farmer, who is now at the second floor window, “Hurry, jump in. I’ll save you.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The farmer again says, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The boat goes away. Now the water is inching over the roof. As the farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer, “I’ll save you. Climb the ladder.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The farmer yells back, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The helicopter goes away. The water continues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof into the swiftly moving water. Unfortunately, he drowns.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says, “What are you doing here?”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]The farmer says, “I put my trust in you, and you let me down.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px]God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”[/SIZE]
Should have made an effort first.
RE: Parents put childs life into "god's hands", and he dies - Schlacko - Apr 25 2013
Quote:one passage says, "but a believer receives healing for free."
Clearly they did not. Twice.
That joke is too true. Why don't religious people, the types in that story, just believe that medicine is an answered prayer? I'm actually atheist if you're wondering...
Has anyone seen that show that was just on TNT, Monday Mornings? Well in one episode this kid...I think got thrown off a horse, and the horse's trainer brought the kid to the hospital, and just before they docs did a very simple thing to make the girl all better, the trainer tells them the kid and her parents are christian scientists and that they shouldn't practice medicine on her. The parents arrive and the doc (Ving Rhames, yeah the guy from Pulp Fiction) tries to convince them to let him do the thing...pericardiocentesis I think, but they refuse. So when they aren't looking, he does it anyways, and they say what happened? and he tells them flatly "she just got better, it's a miracle"
anyways, sometimes these religious jerks believe god 'works through us' or whatever but then they don't approve of actual medicine wtf?