I, The Rival Wrote:

ruplayer Wrote:Oh, stfu already, it's a flame thread. I don't care about gay people, I just pass them. You're cheater-gay-racist, and was smart enough to tell "go fuck yourself" to someone who runs this place, now you expect them to follow your orders. I was admin here before you and after you, and when it comes to stuff on the server I do my job. If we knew that you will release admin board information, that you have a cheating history and going to cheat while you have admin we would have never voted you in. You're mistake.

- Shut the fuck up

- I didnt release information from the admin board.

- I had hacked in the past, so what? I bet at least half of the admins have hacked on CS:S before (or 1.6).

- I didn't cheat while I had admin.

- You just released information on how the admin process works. Good job.

- We've already been through this. I'm not a racist. I don't even particularly hate Russians, I just hate you, and you happen to be Russian.



Also I'm not even going to respond to anything Naive has said. He's insulted me for the last time, so I'm just going to ignore him now. I read his last reply and there was no form of apology in there, so he can fuck off with Ruplayer.

You guys might be admins, but you're server admins. Since I don't play on WarLords servers any more, you have literally no authority over me, so I really couldn't care less what you think. I'm not going to be victimised on the forums by some homophobic kid and an idiot who thinks that dating an Indian girl is racism.

Dre@m$ Wrote:wow man it like World war 3 here. all i have to say is that.. Rival said some shit that was very racist at times. but for crying out fucking load.take some shit as a joke.... not everything people say should be took Seriously all the fuck time. i mean really i get called fat like 10 trillion times a day i really dont take seriously to it.the other thing is if you Dish shit out and say shit to people to piss them off READ IT! dont just write some shit and post it.i read my posts 3-4 times to see what i writing before posting to see what i wrote. the reason is to make sure i didnt put something i couldn't support.the last thing is if you dish it out and cant take it dont F**KING dish it out. i cant Stress that any more then i just did. its like calling some one a Fag and when they call you a cunt you Freak all out.All that is Self-Closure( my way of sayin selfishness)it just shows that you cant take a hit or a comment and you think you number 1 in everything and you dont derives harsh words

naive Wrote:

joker8baller Wrote:

naive Wrote:I could care less if I offend any homosexuals or anybody, i respect and am respected by numerous gay folk whom I offend regularly. Gay men dating women is a selfish experiment that may hurt women any way to you look at it. Presuming from Rivals claim that he is gay from birth and it is not a choice.. from my perspective, either it wasn't serious relationship worth mentioning or he did it just for the pretend veil of being able to say "I'm not racist".

Tell me if you deny any of these definitions.

Racism Defined: Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.
Prejudice Defined: Preconceived opinion not based on reason or experience.
preconceived defined: Formed before having the evidence for its truth or usefulness.

and deny these assumptions:
Koreans are a race.
the generalization that "most koreans love starcraft" is a preconceived opinion (no evidence) about a race


If not, then a preconceived opinion about koreans regarging starcraft logically can be defined as racism.

Yep. Disagree.

As I stated before, the accepted definition of racism requires a crucial factor that is not present in Rival's statement.

Quote:Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

I don't agree with your definition of racism as it's much more broad, not specific and gives room for grey areas. I'm regarding the definition of racism akin to the strict scrutiny method used by the Supreme Court. If it fails any part of the definition then it cannot be regarded as such.

The definition of racism that I'm holding it to is one that is accepted by others and is not a self-definition.

I also find fault with your definition of preconceived

Quote:Preconceived opinion not based on reason or experience.

With this definition, Rival's experience is that most Korean play SC2. It's too broad and not specific as in your racism definition. Rival's experience is his evidence in this matter, it's one that may not be true but it's his experience.

The difference in our opinion is based on the definition of racism, you're using a different definition from me and that is a crucial aspect. I believe that your definition of racism is often utilized by others who seek to claim racism in situations that there are not. I pull mine from other sources and I believe them to be truthful.

Quote:I could care less if I offend any homosexuals or anybody, i respect and am respected by numerous gay folk whom I offend regularly. Gay men dating women is a selfish experiment that may hurt women any way to you look at it. Presuming from Rivals claim that he is gay from birth and it is not a choice.. from my perspective, either it wasn't serious relationship worth mentioning or he did it just for the pretend veil of being able to say "I'm not racist".

You're respected by numerous gay folk who you offend regularly?

And that's a fucking bullshit comment.

I don't exactly remember if Rival claims he was gay from birth. I believe that was someone else. Either way, are you saying that gay people don't have a chance to be bi-sexual? Are these people merely selfish assholes?

Are they not afforded the opportunity to see if they are truly gay? We can't confirm the situation, but what happens if she was cool with him being gay?

I find it hard to believe to find truth in your statement. If you're truly respected by numerous gay folk but have the attitude that them dating women is a selfish experiment... Seems like your belief is that they only should date men and stick that way. They are not allowed to experiment with their sexuality in different ways as afforded to straight people.

Disclaimer: I was drunk as shit last night.

Well, if you are declining the validity of definitions in the Merriam-Webster dictionary then that's as far as I can go in a logical argument with you as you are denying established definitions.  If the dictionary is too controversial in its definition of racism for you, I think you have many other issues to contend with before you continue debating me.

Rivals experience isn't with Koreans as a race, and is a perfect example of acceptable racism. Your problem I believe is that you think something has to be inherently negative to be racist, which is not the case. His experience is with a small group of individuals who happened to be Korean. Extrapolating out to the entire Korean race is just poor logic and not true. If his judgements are not based on logic, yet are applied to the Korean race then it is a broad assumption about a race based on a perception with no evidence. I have experience looking at the moon through a telescope, but that does not give me the evidence or experience necessary to say it is made of cheese. Saying Koreans love starcraft is essentially the same statement as saying that asians are good at math (a common example of a racist stereotype).

I'm friends with transsexuals, gays, straights, south koreans, everyone, and I will viciously attack and offend people about what I believe them to be wrong about, its the fact that learning normally happens through this process for both of us in which the mutual respect comes in. Claiming for something to be selfish does not necessarily make it wrong, it's selfish for me to ask my girlfriend to give me head but I do that anyways. I was too drunk to iterate this point well last night but saying 'im not racist i dated an indian' is about as valid of a statement as 'im not gay i dated a girl'. Plenty of slave owners 'dated' their slaves, where they not racist? In terms of the gayness hurting the partner in a perceived heterosexual relationship, that is very real. I know a straight male who's girl turned lesbian, and a gay male whos partner decided he was really straight. Both knew of the others potential to be homosexual/heterosexual prior but were still completely devastated by the incidents... its psychology. In this case however, I was too drunk to make a good joke or point so it ended up somewhere else. 

If you want to go only against what a US Court could convict me for, then logically speaking me speaking the statement "All British people should be clubbed to death at birth" would not be racism as no actual actions were taken thus no crime committed. Your logic is flawed.

Quote:Well, if you are declining the validity of definitions in the Merriam-Webster dictionary then that's as far as I can go in a logical argument with you as you are denying established definitions.  If the dictionary is too controversial in its definition of racism for you, I think you have many other issues to contend with before you continue debating me.

Quote:Racism Defined: Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.
Prejudice Defined: Preconceived opinion not based on reason or experience.
preconceived defined: Formed before having the evidence for its truth or usefulness.