I would like to note that 80% of the time it's me or Tea on popular maps, 20% other 25+ admins. Other admins play on 24/7 servers, snipers and mini games. Pop maps are two most popular servers that we have. Some admins join them and 5 minutes after they say "to many people" and leave. Most of the time when I join during a day I see 80 players on both servers and no admins. Me and Tea handle trolls, spammers, cheaters, stackers, and the rest of the shit. There are always a few people like you guys, that are bitching all the time and create abuse threads. People never come to admire, but if you ask their opinion they appreciate what we do there, and servers are always clean and full because we handle your mess there.  If I kick someone to clear off nomination, I do it to avoid dropping activity, if I ban for stacking, I do it to avoid dropping activity. If you don't like my personality or stuff that I write on forums, then fuck you all, because it has nothing to do with what I do in game. So lets just call it signs of appreciation. Peace out.

I do not doubt that you do a lot of good things as admin ruplayer. I'm sure you've banned a lot of people who really hack, or troll, or who really did something wrong. I'm sure there are people who admire those things. I believe your reason for clearing the nomination, I just think it's going to far. I won't get into the rest of the stuff anymore. Peace.

[pTK]

Damn communist.    Lol

[Riser]

You're the first person creating abuse thread in a wrong section

Wrong.
I think he wrote this intentionally, he wasn't able to post a reply in Lauratos admin abuse thread, so he wrote this in general chat, it's not an admin abuse thread he just wanted to generally express what he thinks about what you did with laurato.

It is against the explicit server rules. There's no rule saying admins at all times must maintain balanced teams in the opinions of all people, its really subjective to the admin. If ruplayer says he felt teams where balanced enough, that's all he needs to say. He may be wrong according to some but its his opinion, and I don't think we should be asking admins to just do anything any player says. We don't ask admins to balance teams due to one person complaining, and there are logs of people agreeing with ru. If one players disagrees with an admin about team balance, the admin wins plain and simple. That's the whole point of us elevating their trust in the first place.

When people give admins a hard time by switching teams right after you switch them, it makes it very irritating to try to balance the teams. If someone is blatantly disrespecting the admins then they clearly need a time out. If someone blatantly disrespects or ignores an admin then they have broken the rules simply by doing so, regardless of their motivation.

I preffer "Riser"s way of solving this issue, he always switches him self to the other team to unstack the teams, which in my opinion gives him more Respect from other players.

Rarely do I use my admin to switch myself, I wait till theres a spot cause I dont consider switching myself to the other team balances it.

Only time I switch players is when the score is 0-10. If not I leave teams alone, some maps are really sided. You can't really do much about the teams.

4 hours for team stacking is a bit too much, I would go around 30 minutes but different people, different opinions.

Lol, Riser is a stacker like no other. =P.  If you want to see stackers just look at who I kill.  Once in a blue moon I will play an easy side of the map off the start.  IF I do, I usually change after the dominate team 3-rnd rolls the other team.

Completely disagree with the "justified rule" ignoring an admin.  Trying to lawyer it up in a video game. 

All of the admins on the servers are here because they have been deemed trustworthy/mature to use good judgement in enforcing the servers rules. 

1 rule being exploiting the game.  Another rule being exploiting the map.  Consistently joining ct on aztec on t italy is exploiting a weakness of the map to your advantage.  As admin we will not personally single individual out to change them to the "harder" side to balance the map.

I disagree with saying that you can't balance certain maps because I have done it.  It just takes the right mix of good and bad players to create a fair round.  I usually try to guilt trip a stacking friend and a lot times it just takes that 1-personality to get a team to win on the hard side.

On a daily basis it seems I refer players to come to war-lords.net when they accuse me of admin abuse.  Before I was admin I would get switched all the time to balance the team.  I thought it funny or a compliment.  People get butt-hurt way to easy.  Your not a good player if the only way you can do well is play the easy side of the map and get high kpds.  Unfortunately, most of the Top 30 in wL stack. 

You're the first person creating abuse thread in a wrong section

Wrong.
I think he wrote this intentionally, he wasn't able to post a reply in Lauratos admin abuse thread, so he wrote this in general chat, it's not an admin abuse thread he just wanted to generally express what he thinks about what you did with laurato.

It is against the explicit server rules. There's no rule saying admins at all times must maintain balanced teams in the opinions of all people, its really subjective to the admin. If ruplayer says he felt teams where balanced enough, that's all he needs to say. He may be wrong according to some but its his opinion, and I don't think we should be asking admins to just do anything any player says. We don't ask admins to balance teams due to one person complaining, and there are logs of people agreeing with ru. If one players disagrees with an admin about team balance, the admin wins plain and simple. That's the whole point of us elevating their trust in the first place.

When people give admins a hard time by switching teams right after you switch them, it makes it very irritating to try to balance the teams. If someone is blatantly disrespecting the admins then they clearly need a time out. If someone blatantly disrespects or ignores an admin then they have broken the rules simply by doing so, regardless of their motivation.

I preffer "Riser"s way of solving this issue, he always switches him self to the other team to unstack the teams, which in my opinion gives him more Respect from other players.

Rarely do I use my admin to switch myself, I wait till theres a spot cause I dont consider switching myself to the other team balances it.

Only time I switch players is when the score is 0-10. If not I leave teams alone, some maps are really sided. You can't really do much about the teams.

4 hours for team stacking is a bit too much, I would go around 30 minutes but different people, different opinions.

No riser, your just too lazy to hit a few keys and bam, your on the other team. Lazy.

I also wanted to share my input, since I was on mill at that time. You can clearly see that I said the teams weren't stacked. They weren't. T's had been making a consistent comeback over CT's for three rounds. I was on CT and found it challenging to push back the other team. CT's were in no way easily running over the T team.

As for nuke, I don't know, but when T's don't get their asses in gear, CT's tend to roll them hard.

Personally, I wouldn't say ruplayer was wrong, but I don't think I would have gone that far myself. I really don't care about team stacking that much.

Lol, Riser is a stacker like no other. =P.  If you want to see stackers just look at who I kill.  Once in a blue moon I will play an easy side of the map off the start.  IF I do, I usually change after the dominate team 3-rnd rolls the other team.

Completely disagree with the "justified rule" ignoring an admin.  Trying to lawyer it up in a video game. 

All of the admins on the servers are here because they have been deemed trustworthy/mature to use good judgement in enforcing the servers rules. 

1 rule being exploiting the game.  Another rule being exploiting the map.  Consistently joining ct on aztec on t italy is exploiting a weakness of the map to your advantage.  As admin we will not personally single individual out to change them to the "harder" side to balance the map.

I disagree with saying that you can't balance certain maps because I have done it.  It just takes the right mix of good and bad players to create a fair round.  I usually try to guilt trip a stacking friend and a lot times it just takes that 1-personality to get a team to win on the hard side.

On a daily basis it seems I refer players to come to war-lords.net when they accuse me of admin abuse.  Before I was admin I would get switched all the time to balance the team.  I thought it funny or a compliment.  People get butt-hurt way to easy.  Your not a good player if the only way you can do well is play the easy side of the map and get high kpds.  Unfortunately, most of the Top 30 in wL stack.

Joker Tea Duo!

/agree.

Cept I don't stack in the top 30.

Anyways, I don't think the first screenshot shows anything relating to Team Stacking. 8-3 is a pretty good score on a CT-based map, and you can clearly see that there are a good amount of positive scores on the Terrorist side. It's hard to say if you weren't there, but it looks like a little weighted to CT side which is understandable.

if admins want to balance teams, then they must start from themselves by moving themselves to a losing team,
i think that there should be a plug in that will take good players to a losing team, so no admin abuses will get created, because there is no one to blame if you got moved by a plug in.

referring to http://war-lords.net/abuse-problems/adm ... icseen#new when tea mentioned my name about team stackers, look tea, play with me more often, and visit minigames to observe me, for example, the map is aztec, i will join CT and I WILL STAY THERE NO MATTER WHAT even when Ts are winning or losing, get it??????????? my playing time is 41 days, if i was team stacking, then my points were like 100,000 points, take other players for example, they have less days of playing, but their points are like o.O

[Loks]

Thanks for support Naive, but don't waste your time bro=) I had like 14-15 bs abuse threads like this, nothing will be changed after this one!  These are signs of appreciation that they would like to express, or I take it this way.

nope, they aren't bs, if they were made, something is wong..

Ruplayer is here and he is an admin for a relly long time so i dont think you know what is BS or not! plus the guys who acused him for abuse are banned for other reasons too or banned again for the same reason!

hes stats really make me belive he stack too so i dont know why he asked ruplayer to ''unstack''

i am one of the guys who belive the less sm_admin commands we use make the game better for everyone! but unfortunelly if we use people complain if we dont use people complain too so i its impossible to make everyone happy! when im playing i try to just switch myself and see what happends but im not good so doesnt make difference lol but when the score is really unffair i use to switch 1 or 2 players to balance and almost everytime works! ruplayer is a good guy and a good admin and i trust hes judgment! if i switch someone and they keep switching back of course il give they a ban the worst kind of stackers are the ones who join a server wait in spec for a free slot in the winning side to join and the ones who join the "easy side" and switch if they start losing -_- just lame!

Admins shouldn't have to be the first to move. Not all of our admins are amazing players that can turn the tide of the battle simply by switching themselves. If it's possible to do so, then they should, but this situation doesn't occur 100% of the time.

Having a plugin that will take good players to a losing team doesn't always work because there are a lot of external factors that take place in situations.

Example 1: Players do get on a roll where they'll be very lucky and pull out a long kill streak. It's not typical for them but it usually ends quickly, and if they're switched to the losing team it's enough to break the streak and they'll do poorly. A plugin would not do well in this situation.

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Oh and Drunk, if something was made doesn't mean the admin was wrong. The player could be trolling the admin, trying to get revenge, or just doesn't understand...

Example 2: Players work well with certain players, switching one, and not both will simply split a good pair up and the teamwork is shattered. A plugin would also not do well in the situation.

}{@K@P, you stated before you understood teamstacking that you were team stacking... You didn't seem to understand the principle at the time. But you found nothing wrong with it. But the stats of what teams you join on what map demonstrate teamstacking. While teamstacking is related to an increase in points, it's not a direct relation, you could stack and be a terrible player, but you're still stacking the teams.