[Leaky]

i accept your defeat.


and i'm not a hypocrite, you have not presented me with any verifiable fact just your opinion on how philosophy and science work together, which you are entitled to have. but i do not agree, i believe they are fundamentally different, science has a rigid structure and process that must be adhered to, where as philosophy is free form thought and ideas. the closest you'd get to that in science is theoretical physics but even that isn't as free form as it sounds, the theories they work on are founded in math which someone later proves. in modern day terms, all of the philosophers you named were theoretical physicists as well as philosophers, but scientists these days don't follow the same thought process as the people back in those times, everything has changed. you're either experimenting and analyzing data or you're examining unknown principles and coming up with a mathematical proof that makes sense, none of that is as free form as philosophy.


and i apologize for calling philosophy filth. it's just not a discipline i value highly. given a different past, i can see science springing up in any number of ways that don't revolve around philosophers. and in a world devoid of emotion, where there is nothing but cold hard logic and data analysis, i can't imagine philosophy is any way relevant because it doesn't revolve around the study of verifiable data, it revolves around thinking about stuff.


we'll agree to disagree.


but i think everyone here agrees that religion is stupid and ruins the world.