Negative.

If you ever played with the p90 in Source before the update, it was absolute garbage. Probably the worst SMG, next to the UMP-45.

After the update everyone's talking about, you're looking at errant spray shots that can kill you and headshot you from across the map. Nobody tries to accurately aim or single-shot with the p90 at a distance, they're running and spraying it and getting random headshots with ease. When I can go into Office 24/7 and run havoc using only a p90, you can see how badly it's been altered and Bison knows this. If FF was on, people would be TK'ing like mad.

There's nothing called being to close, you have to close in at some points. At close range the p90 is an insanely accurately headshot seeking gun to the point that nothing can compete with it. I'm not spraying at this point with my gun, I'm taking well-aimed quick flick shots. But in most situations you'll be killed by an errant headshot that someone's not even aim'ing with.

Para can't even compare to the p90 anymore.

The alternative is to change the damage, spread, and accuracy values of the p90 to make it a more fair weapon. Bison suggested this and I would see this as a solution as well.

If you think the p90 isn't OP, then you haven't been playing Counter-Strike long, and if you don't think we've lost good players already because of a 50 slot server and the errant usage of p90's you're mistaken. The majority of people that use the p90 are no-steamers anyways and they'll stick around because we're one of the only no-steam communities out there. P90's have taken a lot of skill out of Counter-Strike and has infuriated many of the long-term players with it's buff while everything else got a nerf. I've run a few polls in Office before and they've passed, even with GWB on (And they're notorious for only using the p90).

If this wasn't a 32+ slot server, we wouldn't need this. But for some reason we upped it to 50, and it's freaking chaos. You hit a corner and instead of a reasonable amount of guys, you have 10-15 people blasting away with you. In most situations, a few accurate shots and a bunch of wildly inaccurate p90 fire. You're staring into a wall of bullets and many of them errant p90 shots that will probably headshot you. The server's are entirely way too crowded with people and it's becoming a lot more like COD rather than Counter-Strike.

Mr.Tea, post: 94686, member: 1006 Wrote:That is the point of this thread. The last big CS:S update did that. Before you would not randomly get headshot'd across the map. Pretty sure they did the update to push people to CS:GO (an epic fail of a game). I see many players just strafing the corner with a p90ing and randomly getting 2-3 headshots a time. It is amusing because they hold left-click from a second from clearing the corner and hold it until they fire 50 rnds and repeat. I am always a firm supporter of having unrestricted weapons, but then again I am for FF on, which most players in our servers could not handle. With FF on it would be extremely entertaining watching the horde rushing with p90s and then commit fratricide on half of the team.

I understand chun's and devious' sentiments towards the p90er's. Since, the AWP and Auto are restricted I think it is a fair request and I don't think it would kill the server population (or hurt it). Or just lift the restrictions on all weapons. Either way it wouldn't kill the server population. Even though past attempts I am told did.

Also, this.