Melody posted the the ak clip i was talking about. Now I know the first two kills arent worth explaining because people just won't understand and will argue. If you understand cs a little and watch the last kill where he sprays through dd mid and is about a guns length below the guys feet but gets a head shot you realize that isnt natural.  Now if youre an admin on here with any kind of experience you should realize this a step further to be near impossible.  Obviously he was aimbotting the whole game and thats the hardest thing for people to pick up on if a player has it set right but alive messes up here when hes spraying and it is completely obvious. For people who don't understand aimbotting (in most cases) the longer you hold the key down (most likely your fire key) the closer the recoil is adjusted to pull towards the head or whatever you have it set to. If youre spraying a guns length below a guys feet with no aim assist to pull the recoil up there is no way the natural recoil of the game goes that high to register a hs.  Seeing how the player wasn't jumping just strafing the hitbox wouldn't of been thrown off that much either.  If anyone recreates that clip and posts it on the forums i will never post again and personally apologize to alive but im 99.9% sure that its impossible to do without aim assist.  If you are going to argue that it is then post a clip of you doing it don't just tell me its possible.

Icon makes a good point, if the criteria of someone getting banned is based off 100% proof as it seems to be in this case then every clip (for the most part) can be argued and players should not be getting banned for far less. Saying there is 0 proof of alive cheating just isn't true it's opinion and you can definitely say that about melody or probably a lot of previous players who were banned.  If WL goes by we need 100% certainty that someone is cheating then Melody should be unbanned and again along with im sure other players (I haven't been around that long on here to name anyone else).  If WL goes by the "eye test" of trusted experienced members then they should be explaining the bans not just "hes banned".  Also alive running into b, not checking anything and stopping when his xhair gets up to window because he sees someone through the wall and then proceeding to jiggle peek the awper he saw (3rd rnd btw, no history of the player being there) is not a random player doing something random its a random player doing something obvious.  I didn't bring up stats at all but Alives stats haven't improved in the last 3 years they have improved in the last 3 months so any talk of "good players" who used to play doesn't relate to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrpmuSErJr4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_LvaNoXos

I know both clips aren't with an ak, but look where i am aiming while running holding w and a or d.

Still a lot of headshots in even less bullets then him.

Or even better https://youtu.be/01SVlzKZhkY?t=227 here on this clip i am doing exactly the same thing as him but even more efficiently with an ak with 100 ping +

Please report me and get me banned asap.

I don't know if you were looking at the right clip but none of the clips you posted were even close to what i'm talking about...
the first clip you were shooting at knee length or above which I would never questions because obviously you can get hs from there.
second clip you were shooting at the feet or above on all the players except the last guy you WERE shooting at close to but not exactly the same distance below the feet and you were nowhere near the head which proves my point.
last clip again shooting at the feet except for the last guy which again you did not headshot you just killed him which is entirely possible to kill someone by spraying below the feet which was not my point.

I'll be happy to review any more clips you would like to send in.

Freeze frame exactly when he killed the guy at mid door, you will see its approximatively at the same height i was on the third guy on the ak clip.

https://imgur.com/a/iUS7T7z

Heres the freeze frame down to the whatever .00 second i could get it to before the hs occured on each clip.  From what I can see your clip on the right is about a boots length below the player before it regs.  Clip on the left is about an ak/awps length below and another ak/awps length to the left of the model hes aiming at? Hard to say because the model is covered but that's a generous estimate. To me these are not even close but again anything can be argued and any opinion can be made i guess.  Also not that it matters because "to me" these are not close to the same but judging by your title youre on a euro server with lag which can throw hitboxes off drastically and I personally have never had a problem with alive lagging in game against me. I can't make it any clearer at this point.  Bottom line again is I could care less if Alive gets banned or not I'm just trying to help the wl admin community understand the game a little better and also warn fellow legit gamers.  Happy Gaming!

[B]

Just trying to give you examples without having to dig into demo's, and using an other afternoon (like i did for alive review) to find specific perfect examples.

All i am saying is that its possible to do so, especially if you spray for a long time or if you are moving at the same time, if bison was still active he could probably share you all his ''techniques'' he learned from the gods of randomness. And spraying while running from 30-50 meters, aiming everywhere and getting a clean headshot somehow.

For when it comes to awp shots, idk, ive seen so many much more insane shots from so many different legit players of so many different level, maybe i have become blind or desensitized to things that might appear obvious to you, it's certainly a possibility, its just that if we were to hold everyone to the same standard and having the bar this low to ban players, we wouldnt have much decent players left if any.

I believe the core of the issue (which you and icon underligned) is people not being held at the same standards, why before people could say crazy shit and simply get a mute, a !ignore or a 1 day cool-off ban, but carb is perm'd ? Why some players with some fishy plays are banned and others aren't ?

Sentiment is shared about trying to help out, have a good time gaming !

[Jesse]

Hi Ben, I have no opinion on the matter but just wanna say good job for allocating your personal time to review demos of the player and then the time to write all of that stuff up. Good investigation work, seems like you put forward a pretty significant amount of time to check out people’s complaints

[neteX]

yano all of this kinda contradicts everything that WL has been doing lately. you sit here telling people to find concrete evidence but no one can ever be in alives moms basement with him to catch him in the act. your right maybe he doesnt have league experience, but neither do i but many peope on wl do, so i have adapted. i learn to check those corners EVERYTIME, i dont pick and choose when to check a corner. im not saying he is or isnt cheating like pin said idc if he gets banned. but then how can you ban melody? where is the concrete evidence on him? and why was he banned before proof was established? because netex is butt hurt? you watched 5 demos at extensive length as you say "Ben" but you couldnt take a look at why this kid is ALREADY banned? a kid that isnt proceeds? this is ridiculous. the admins are destroying this community. the cheaters with friends are allowed to play the not cheaters who upset someone get banned ... ( CARB, Melody) and this is just recently. do i have to literally hack alive's computer and find his cheats and screenshot it for you to believe it? but in melody's case Mr. Netex's word is enough. who allowed these admins this kind of power? TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME. kid got banned for 2 fishy plays.. in multiple pugs. ive seen 20 fishy plays from alive in one half. all im saying basically is unban melody until you have solid proof he cheats. or start banning anyone that gets accused. which would be everyone. let VAC handle the cheaters. PEAcE N3Rds

LOL 2 fishy clips?
You think im not dumb enough to watch his demos?
I watched over 8 demos, and hes made about 5-10 fishy plays in every single one of them.

Think before you say something, he was banned just of the clips, but there are TONS OF THEM!

The on;y people in this community that I can even compare my skill level to is ghoul,bill, and pin. Rest havent played this game at the highest level to understand "CHEATERS".


Melody is 100% cheating, and if Bison unbans him Im out of here mark my word.

Because if a fucking coder of a server messages me and asks me if Melody is a cheater since he probably did research on melody himself.
100% Justifies my ban alone.
Cause this guy has no exp in any competitive game, hes just a developer.



IF you wish to continue playing with cheaters and against cheaters, by all means go ahead idgaf.
If im there and I catch you, you're gone .Idgaf what anyone says to me

yano all of this kinda contradicts everything that WL has been doing lately. you sit here telling people to find concrete evidence but no one can ever be in alives moms basement with him to catch him in the act. your right maybe he doesnt have league experience, but neither do i but many peope on wl do, so i have adapted. i learn to check those corners EVERYTIME, i dont pick and choose when to check a corner. im not saying he is or isnt cheating like pin said idc if he gets banned. but then how can you ban melody? where is the concrete evidence on him? and why was he banned before proof was established? because netex is butt hurt? you watched 5 demos at extensive length as you say "Ben" but you couldnt take a look at why this kid is ALREADY banned? a kid that isnt proceeds? this is ridiculous. the admins are destroying this community. the cheaters with friends are allowed to play the not cheaters who upset someone get banned ... ( CARB, Melody) and this is just recently. do i have to literally hack alive's computer and find his cheats and screenshot it for you to believe it? but in melody's case Mr. Netex's word is enough. who allowed these admins this kind of power? TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME. kid got banned for 2 fishy plays.. in multiple pugs. ive seen 20 fishy plays from alive in one half. all im saying basically is unban melody until you have solid proof he cheats. or start banning anyone that gets accused. which would be everyone. let VAC handle the cheaters. PEAcE N3Rds

LOL 2 fishy clips?
You think im not dumb enough to watch his demos?
I watched over 8 demos, and hes made about 5-10 fishy plays in every single one of them.

Think before you say something, he was banned just of the clips, but there are TONS OF THEM!

The on;y people in this community that I can even compare my skill level to is ghoul,bill, and pin. Rest havent played this game at the highest level to understand "CHEATERS".


Melody is 100% cheating, and if Bison unbans him Im out of here mark my word.

Because if a fucking coder of a server messages me and asks me if Melody is a cheater since he probably did research on melody himself.
100% Justifies my ban alone.
Cause this guy has no exp in any competitive game, hes just a developer.



IF you wish to continue playing with cheaters and against cheaters, by all means go ahead idgaf.
If im there and I catch you, you're gone .Idgaf what anyone says to me

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
then u havent played long enough
I went back to check ur history

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
ok

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
through the years

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
ya
tons of ban cheats

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
so you cheated

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
negative

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
so what ban cheats

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
im good at the game
and i played minigames

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
what does minigames have to do with pugs
lol

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
shitting on people in minigames
that are just god awful
for 10 years
peopel are gonna accuse me of cheating

[Friday 3:30 PM]
neteX:
ur playing vs bots
in MG

Why are you quoting some retarded GP member who blows ass at the game, who you even call a bot?

[neteX]

yano all of this kinda contradicts everything that WL has been doing lately. you sit here telling people to find concrete evidence but no one can ever be in alives moms basement with him to catch him in the act. your right maybe he doesnt have league experience, but neither do i but many peope on wl do, so i have adapted. i learn to check those corners EVERYTIME, i dont pick and choose when to check a corner. im not saying he is or isnt cheating like pin said idc if he gets banned. but then how can you ban melody? where is the concrete evidence on him? and why was he banned before proof was established? because netex is butt hurt? you watched 5 demos at extensive length as you say "Ben" but you couldnt take a look at why this kid is ALREADY banned? a kid that isnt proceeds? this is ridiculous. the admins are destroying this community. the cheaters with friends are allowed to play the not cheaters who upset someone get banned ... ( CARB, Melody) and this is just recently. do i have to literally hack alive's computer and find his cheats and screenshot it for you to believe it? but in melody's case Mr. Netex's word is enough. who allowed these admins this kind of power? TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME. kid got banned for 2 fishy plays.. in multiple pugs. ive seen 20 fishy plays from alive in one half. all im saying basically is unban melody until you have solid proof he cheats. or start banning anyone that gets accused. which would be everyone. let VAC handle the cheaters. PEAcE N3Rds

LOL 2 fishy clips?
You think im not dumb enough to watch his demos?
I watched over 8 demos, and hes made about 5-10 fishy plays in every single one of them.

Think before you say something, he was banned just of the clips, but there are TONS OF THEM!

The on;y people in this community that I can even compare my skill level to is ghoul,bill, and pin. Rest havent played this game at the highest level to understand "CHEATERS".


Melody is 100% cheating, and if Bison unbans him Im out of here mark my word.

Because if a fucking coder of a server messages me and asks me if Melody is a cheater since he probably did research on melody himself.
100% Justifies my ban alone.
Cause this guy has no exp in any competitive game, hes just a developer.



IF you wish to continue playing with cheaters and against cheaters, by all means go ahead idgaf.
If im there and I catch you, you're gone .Idgaf what anyone says to me

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
then u havent played long enough
I went back to check ur history

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
ok

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
through the years

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
ya
tons of ban cheats

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
so you cheated

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
negative

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
so what ban cheats

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
im good at the game
and i played minigames

[Friday 3:29 PM]
neteX:
what does minigames have to do with pugs
lol

[Friday 3:29 PM]
Melody:
shitting on people in minigames
that are just god awful
for 10 years
peopel are gonna accuse me of cheating

[Friday 3:30 PM]
neteX:
ur playing vs bots
in MG

Why are you quoting some retarded GP member who blows ass at the game, who you even call a bot?

Hes a DEV you idiot lol.
And enjoy those chat logs in ur pastebin, hope you keep them forever.
You're about as useless as that pastebin

I just don't want to get insta awp'd rotating through window. Demo made me feel famous like I was in Bollywood like my ancestors

So glad there is a section to report people so threads can idle for years without any results

So glad there is a section to report people so threads can idle for years without any results

Honestly, I agree with you.

What a shame... 

This is is the most stagnant community I have ever seen that hasn't given up yet.