okay, first ill explain my methodology :
1. I have read the thread and posts of everyone to see what was the exact complaints of everyone
2. Downloaded the demo in question + 5 other demos of some of his best recent pugs on maps people aren't used to play.
3. Watched every single 1 on normal speed, with r_drawothermodels on, noted everything where there was a slight chance of evidence of cheating
4. Watched again those specific segments multiple times to make sure he did see the player (or not, or part of him) before firing at certain moments, if teamates called the enemy in question, if he heard him, if the radar showed him on the map, etc.
5. Conclusion after HOURS of gameplay reviewed i found absolutely 0 proof of him cheating either with a wallhack or a aimbot.
6. The ''proofs'' presented here are/can be easily explaned by common sense, why isnt he clearing everything when entering B ? Hello, his css ''competitive'' experience is wl pugs and other public servers, not ESEA-I or ESEA-M from back in the days, he will NOT do what people from high level of gaming would do ever, because he isn't from these level of leagues, he takes shortcuts all the time that gets him killed all the time, he doesnt see dozens of players through wall or other textures (like smokes, except for one way smokes) all the time, he gets killed all the time because he doesnt know there is multiple players at a specific moment. How does he ''follow'' the player to long, its simple he doesn't, bomb was down over there, he had to go on the cross (and if you use common sense, there is also a good chance the ct is long and most likely pit, due to bomb position), he doesnt outright aim at the player in pit through texture, but under where the head would pop like any decent player would do and reacts to it, he doesn't follow said player through the ground perfectly (like he would if he was seeing him through it) either.
Thanks to Stephanie for sharing additional clips (You could ban literally anyone if these instances were considered proofs).
My critic of basically everyone accusing him of cheating :
I think its simply just a good old case of mass hysteria/misinformation coupled with confirmation bias.
Some players are mad when losing, especially if its because of 1 player who is doing good in particular, even more if its someone they played a lot vs in the past and think they are better then said player. So they will go mentally the lazy way and believe/say that the player in question is cheating to protect their own ego.
If enough players do that behavior, other players will simply believe it because lots of players believes it, sometimes the players complaining have ''league exp'' so they take their words for it, so more and more players will believe said player is indeed cheating.
And i know its a hugely contributing factor, because ive heard dozens of people whine on the demos 24/7, about alive, it was really really anoying how lots of players said and im paraphrasing : ''ah its alive he must be cheating'' as an excuse when you did a bad play or he did a good play, or you were simply mad af and needed to protect your ego (i know ive been there
).
I've been an admin a decent amount of time on (wL), i learned through the years playing here that people are lazy, they don't review demos and if they do they are LOOKING actively for any hint of a maybe of something to confirm their own bias against the person they are reviewing, they are extremely rarely objective and if they are they will post their concrete evidence in private or on forum and the player in question gets banned or they see that said player isn't cheating at all and dont waste admin's time. I don't know how many demo's ive reviewed on wl alone where there was absolutely 0 ways said players was cheating in any way, please in the future have some courtesy and try to review a demo or multiple demo first before doing baseless accusations.
When reviewing demo's, look for PROOFs not maybe's.
For his raise in stats, its extremely simple, he IMPROVED, he played a shit ton and he is tryharding, while playing mostly with awp which is the most skill less and stats buffing weapon in the game (28% this month), he listen to everyones calls, he uses sounds a lot, he uses all types of nades effectively (if compared to the average), his aim isn't the best, i played with and vs him a bunch before, he improved quite a lot. 0 of his stats are good indicators of him possibly cheating (he aint among the top players either), not reaching 1 kdr with deagle, hs % acc % aren't crazy overall and for specific weapons. He also plays a shit ton of CSS while trying hard RECENTLY, which is one of the only way you can actually improve in this game (hours played in general is meaningless, but a quantity of hours while trying your ass off does). Why do you believe people from leagues are better in general then typical players ? (https://war-lords.net/forum/thread-17335...#pid132867) It's from highly intensive, tryhard, sweat bands hours of gameplay, its from scrims, matches, playoffs, tournaments, its from caring about your stats (which includes winning) so you tryhard in pugs, its from hours of muscle memory in deathmatches or gungames, its from all those things.
Also, it is EXTREMELY easier to play on (wL) rn, then let's say 3 or 4 years ago, where is billnose ? ghoul ? loopz ? Phoenix ? Keys ? Loki ? Other dozens of players that played relatively high level ? Even I stopped playing for a while too and i know i am extremely far from being among the best who touched this game (i miss ESEA so much lol). Well guess what, that influences the '' overall general value'' of RWS a lot, 16 or 17 rws from players 3 or 4 years ago if said player isnt leaving systematicly (or not joining vs actually good players) like lots of players are doing (especially ''good'' ones) is probably the equivalent of having 20 rws right now, 65 vs 65 rws pugs back then were common (even some over 70 vs 70 way before tournaments were a thing), gl ever getting that now. To use an example, its like if we were comparing stats from ESEA-I League to stats in M or O, oh that player has 120 adr in Open so he is better then someone 70 adr in invite.
Or a less extreme example would be if comparing stats of specific players who were both playing on (wL) and the now dead other pug réseau. By some magic, said players had much better stats on the other réseau where there wasn't as much ex-league players. Can you tell me with a straight face, 100 adr on each was of equal value ?
Or simply take the example of the tournaments we did on (wL), look up top players stats during these obviously they are much lower because the degree of competition was much higher.
I'd go as far as to say, Alive is definitively not cheating, i didnt find anything, on any of his best demos, on his best months, on the maps where its most obvious if someone is walling, and if you are reading this alive, i am sorry people are being so extremely toxic toward you while you are being a very chill dude in-game.
Obviously if players find further/actual proofs and submit it, it will be reviewed.
(There is also other aspects to consider that i didnt go in details like gun usage, did he buy a new pc or new gear, etc., but this post is very long already, so i'll stop there.)
Lastly helmut, does ghoul cheat ? Does the majority or the plurality of hundreds/thousands of different players you called a cheater in-game cheat ?
My gaming experience for new players or people that dont know me at all : i always played ''competitively'', because i wanted to be better then my older brother (not David), in every video game possible, mario kart, goldeneye, rise of nations, aoe 1 2 and 3, Age of Mythology, Star Wars:Battleground, super smash bros, conker, you name it. He started playing css, so i started playing css, he liked a particular extremely popular french gungame server where he was top5, i had to be top 1, lots of ex-cal french players were using that server to warm up before matches and scrims, and i was better then all of them (at least in the context of a hardcore, fast paced, no respawn gungame). He started scrimming so i started scrimming, then he dropped playing this game all together, i first played competitively ''officially'' in gungame ladder in twl, where we were number 1 with a 22-2 record the only season we played in it, i then i joined a team of friends played in eco league, we qualified to be playing eco-m, league died, we were still hungry for competitive matches, despite not knowing about anything really about leagues we joined ESEA league in season 7, by the time i started to play more seriously i pugged in leagues with other frenchies in open/im, tried to get into main but the language barrier was a big problem for me to find any team (there wasn't many french team either in main, we dont use the same english words for callouts in french and my accent was very thick), scrimmed dozens if not hundreds of time with and vs ESEA-I players because i was ''ringin''/subbing a lot for Icons of Vanity (one of the only french canadian teams by the end of ESEA on source, and two players i knew from the gungame were around them HeShe/ForGet) and because my teams no matter the seasons were never scared of competition, so i gained a lot of exp/knowledge through them and playing deagle only in esea pugs vs equal if not a lot better players like a maniac. Then ESEA on source died due to CSGO.
I was introduced to (wL) by a french ESEA buddy, i started by playing mostly deagle/pistol only like i used to do on ESEA for the nostalgia factor, then played a little bit more seriously when i noticed players from back in esea i recognized the names were also playing (like bill and ghoul) and legit proof'd enough people to know a lot were legit/relative high level, played thousands of pugs from there. Became admin, then organized tournaments, tried to organize a competitive pug system (10 rws server, competitive pugs, scrims) helped Crusader organize Asia tournaments, tried to help Caillou make his, played in all of em and finished either first or second in all of em (usually losing to bill or ghoul or netex or a combination of em in very close 16-14, 14-16 matches) except in the asian tournament for obvious reasons (still topfragged the only match played vs Riser), i extensively worked with in game stats to do leaderboards and tournaments stats, and i am also currently trying to organize my 6th tournament.
Played on asia servers (250 ping +) or Europe (100+ ping) for a time in search of more challenge, played glock only, p228 only, dualies/5-7 only, shotguns only, smg only, scout only, hs only, krieg/aug only, headshots only on (wL) for the same reason (you can look up my weapon stats).
I would include lots of other stuff (like my hundreds of wins on pubg/other battle royale games, lanning a bit for Rise of Nation, and playing ogame/runescape back when i was in highschool, etc.), but this is starting to sound like a biography
1. I have read the thread and posts of everyone to see what was the exact complaints of everyone
2. Downloaded the demo in question + 5 other demos of some of his best recent pugs on maps people aren't used to play.
3. Watched every single 1 on normal speed, with r_drawothermodels on, noted everything where there was a slight chance of evidence of cheating
4. Watched again those specific segments multiple times to make sure he did see the player (or not, or part of him) before firing at certain moments, if teamates called the enemy in question, if he heard him, if the radar showed him on the map, etc.
5. Conclusion after HOURS of gameplay reviewed i found absolutely 0 proof of him cheating either with a wallhack or a aimbot.
6. The ''proofs'' presented here are/can be easily explaned by common sense, why isnt he clearing everything when entering B ? Hello, his css ''competitive'' experience is wl pugs and other public servers, not ESEA-I or ESEA-M from back in the days, he will NOT do what people from high level of gaming would do ever, because he isn't from these level of leagues, he takes shortcuts all the time that gets him killed all the time, he doesnt see dozens of players through wall or other textures (like smokes, except for one way smokes) all the time, he gets killed all the time because he doesnt know there is multiple players at a specific moment. How does he ''follow'' the player to long, its simple he doesn't, bomb was down over there, he had to go on the cross (and if you use common sense, there is also a good chance the ct is long and most likely pit, due to bomb position), he doesnt outright aim at the player in pit through texture, but under where the head would pop like any decent player would do and reacts to it, he doesn't follow said player through the ground perfectly (like he would if he was seeing him through it) either.
Thanks to Stephanie for sharing additional clips (You could ban literally anyone if these instances were considered proofs).
My critic of basically everyone accusing him of cheating :
I think its simply just a good old case of mass hysteria/misinformation coupled with confirmation bias.
Some players are mad when losing, especially if its because of 1 player who is doing good in particular, even more if its someone they played a lot vs in the past and think they are better then said player. So they will go mentally the lazy way and believe/say that the player in question is cheating to protect their own ego.
If enough players do that behavior, other players will simply believe it because lots of players believes it, sometimes the players complaining have ''league exp'' so they take their words for it, so more and more players will believe said player is indeed cheating.
And i know its a hugely contributing factor, because ive heard dozens of people whine on the demos 24/7, about alive, it was really really anoying how lots of players said and im paraphrasing : ''ah its alive he must be cheating'' as an excuse when you did a bad play or he did a good play, or you were simply mad af and needed to protect your ego (i know ive been there
).I've been an admin a decent amount of time on (wL), i learned through the years playing here that people are lazy, they don't review demos and if they do they are LOOKING actively for any hint of a maybe of something to confirm their own bias against the person they are reviewing, they are extremely rarely objective and if they are they will post their concrete evidence in private or on forum and the player in question gets banned or they see that said player isn't cheating at all and dont waste admin's time. I don't know how many demo's ive reviewed on wl alone where there was absolutely 0 ways said players was cheating in any way, please in the future have some courtesy and try to review a demo or multiple demo first before doing baseless accusations.
When reviewing demo's, look for PROOFs not maybe's.
For his raise in stats, its extremely simple, he IMPROVED, he played a shit ton and he is tryharding, while playing mostly with awp which is the most skill less and stats buffing weapon in the game (28% this month), he listen to everyones calls, he uses sounds a lot, he uses all types of nades effectively (if compared to the average), his aim isn't the best, i played with and vs him a bunch before, he improved quite a lot. 0 of his stats are good indicators of him possibly cheating (he aint among the top players either), not reaching 1 kdr with deagle, hs % acc % aren't crazy overall and for specific weapons. He also plays a shit ton of CSS while trying hard RECENTLY, which is one of the only way you can actually improve in this game (hours played in general is meaningless, but a quantity of hours while trying your ass off does). Why do you believe people from leagues are better in general then typical players ? (https://war-lords.net/forum/thread-17335...#pid132867) It's from highly intensive, tryhard, sweat bands hours of gameplay, its from scrims, matches, playoffs, tournaments, its from caring about your stats (which includes winning) so you tryhard in pugs, its from hours of muscle memory in deathmatches or gungames, its from all those things.
Also, it is EXTREMELY easier to play on (wL) rn, then let's say 3 or 4 years ago, where is billnose ? ghoul ? loopz ? Phoenix ? Keys ? Loki ? Other dozens of players that played relatively high level ? Even I stopped playing for a while too and i know i am extremely far from being among the best who touched this game (i miss ESEA so much lol). Well guess what, that influences the '' overall general value'' of RWS a lot, 16 or 17 rws from players 3 or 4 years ago if said player isnt leaving systematicly (or not joining vs actually good players) like lots of players are doing (especially ''good'' ones) is probably the equivalent of having 20 rws right now, 65 vs 65 rws pugs back then were common (even some over 70 vs 70 way before tournaments were a thing), gl ever getting that now. To use an example, its like if we were comparing stats from ESEA-I League to stats in M or O, oh that player has 120 adr in Open so he is better then someone 70 adr in invite.
Or a less extreme example would be if comparing stats of specific players who were both playing on (wL) and the now dead other pug réseau. By some magic, said players had much better stats on the other réseau where there wasn't as much ex-league players. Can you tell me with a straight face, 100 adr on each was of equal value ?
Or simply take the example of the tournaments we did on (wL), look up top players stats during these obviously they are much lower because the degree of competition was much higher.
I'd go as far as to say, Alive is definitively not cheating, i didnt find anything, on any of his best demos, on his best months, on the maps where its most obvious if someone is walling, and if you are reading this alive, i am sorry people are being so extremely toxic toward you while you are being a very chill dude in-game.
Obviously if players find further/actual proofs and submit it, it will be reviewed.
(There is also other aspects to consider that i didnt go in details like gun usage, did he buy a new pc or new gear, etc., but this post is very long already, so i'll stop there.)
Lastly helmut, does ghoul cheat ? Does the majority or the plurality of hundreds/thousands of different players you called a cheater in-game cheat ?
My gaming experience for new players or people that dont know me at all : i always played ''competitively'', because i wanted to be better then my older brother (not David), in every video game possible, mario kart, goldeneye, rise of nations, aoe 1 2 and 3, Age of Mythology, Star Wars:Battleground, super smash bros, conker, you name it. He started playing css, so i started playing css, he liked a particular extremely popular french gungame server where he was top5, i had to be top 1, lots of ex-cal french players were using that server to warm up before matches and scrims, and i was better then all of them (at least in the context of a hardcore, fast paced, no respawn gungame). He started scrimming so i started scrimming, then he dropped playing this game all together, i first played competitively ''officially'' in gungame ladder in twl, where we were number 1 with a 22-2 record the only season we played in it, i then i joined a team of friends played in eco league, we qualified to be playing eco-m, league died, we were still hungry for competitive matches, despite not knowing about anything really about leagues we joined ESEA league in season 7, by the time i started to play more seriously i pugged in leagues with other frenchies in open/im, tried to get into main but the language barrier was a big problem for me to find any team (there wasn't many french team either in main, we dont use the same english words for callouts in french and my accent was very thick), scrimmed dozens if not hundreds of time with and vs ESEA-I players because i was ''ringin''/subbing a lot for Icons of Vanity (one of the only french canadian teams by the end of ESEA on source, and two players i knew from the gungame were around them HeShe/ForGet) and because my teams no matter the seasons were never scared of competition, so i gained a lot of exp/knowledge through them and playing deagle only in esea pugs vs equal if not a lot better players like a maniac. Then ESEA on source died due to CSGO.
I was introduced to (wL) by a french ESEA buddy, i started by playing mostly deagle/pistol only like i used to do on ESEA for the nostalgia factor, then played a little bit more seriously when i noticed players from back in esea i recognized the names were also playing (like bill and ghoul) and legit proof'd enough people to know a lot were legit/relative high level, played thousands of pugs from there. Became admin, then organized tournaments, tried to organize a competitive pug system (10 rws server, competitive pugs, scrims) helped Crusader organize Asia tournaments, tried to help Caillou make his, played in all of em and finished either first or second in all of em (usually losing to bill or ghoul or netex or a combination of em in very close 16-14, 14-16 matches) except in the asian tournament for obvious reasons (still topfragged the only match played vs Riser), i extensively worked with in game stats to do leaderboards and tournaments stats, and i am also currently trying to organize my 6th tournament.
Played on asia servers (250 ping +) or Europe (100+ ping) for a time in search of more challenge, played glock only, p228 only, dualies/5-7 only, shotguns only, smg only, scout only, hs only, krieg/aug only, headshots only on (wL) for the same reason (you can look up my weapon stats).
I would include lots of other stuff (like my hundreds of wins on pubg/other battle royale games, lanning a bit for Rise of Nation, and playing ogame/runescape back when i was in highschool, etc.), but this is starting to sound like a biography
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