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Unknown Admin Abuse
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lol do you find Russia exotic too?
#72
Loks Wrote:i clearly remeber Mr.Tea always saying ownage is cool he not hacks and see wath he got a admin abuse report by ownage just because one slay!! O_O

Admin abuse is admin abuse.  I'm not going to show favoritism toward an admin abuser just because he knows that I don't cheat.  I also shouldn't have to kiss an admin's ass just to not be admin abused.

Loks Wrote:I watched the demo and Mr.Tea give him a warning 2 rounds before than Ts won 2 rounds! in the round ownage is slayed he was the bomb guy!! if i was Mr.Tea i will do the same thing!!!

His warning "2 rounds before" was for an illogical reason.  The odds were against me, and like many others agreed, it would have been dumb of me to commit suicide.  If anything, this was a warning to be admin abused.

Also, could someone else confirm that I was the bomber when I got slayed?  From what I remember, it was down somewhere near CT side of underpass.  Regardless, when I was slayed, I was pinned down by a CT in tunnels so there was no way for me to advance without killing him.  After I killed him, there still could have been 10 CTs in the tunnels since one of my teammates was pretty deep into underpass.  The logical thing to have done at this point was to either kill off all of the CTs that came rushing out of tunnels and potentially winning, or save the weapon for next round so our chances of winning would be greater than if I were to have died.

I'm pretty sure public servers came before CAL-like scrimmages, so the concept of "saving" isn't some new idea exclusive to the latter.

Mr.Tea Wrote:Just to re-iterate:
1st warning he was the last guy for over 1minute.  I made him aware of the objectives at 30 seconds because he was camp picking guys in a 1 vs 6.  It was 1 vs 6 because his team attempted to push which he did not support.  He was overwatching a flank, which is a valid tactic.  However, if you watch all the red dots disappear and don't do anything to support.  Nothing tactical about that.

If I remember this correctly, I was watching underpass (covering a flank) after a CT pushed (he died) while the last of my teammates died in the tunnels within a few seconds.  When I started to make my way to the tunnels, CTs had already almost pushed out of the tunnels.  With an AWP, less than half health, and the potential for them to have grenades ready, I was not going to rush into the tunnels to get potentially naded and overran.  I instead watched a CT run out of tunnels toward T spawn so I rotated around back to kill him (and killed him.)  At this time, I imagined others CTs rushing out of tunnels going toward underpass side to try and flank me, so I had to stay in my position to kill both sides of their potentially split forces.  This pinned me down in my position and forced me to save for the next round.

Mr.Tea Wrote:The slay round he bait/awped in the tunnels on dust.  No problem with that tactic, but if you bait/awp your whole team and its you and some other dude camping in a 2v11.  That was your poor choice of strategy.  You were prompted at 30 secs about maybe looking at the objectives, but you stayed and waited.  The person that I warned for shooting you in the head was obviously frustrated with you not using the awp to pust forward.  Regardless, I warned him about shooting snipers in the head.

I was not baiting my teammates.  A sniper cannot bait their teammates in a close quarter battle.  Why would anyone expect a sniper to go in first?  Furthermore, if I was standing back, then that's because my teammates shouldn't have been in the tunnel in the configuration they were standing in.  To be able to control tunnels as a T, you must be able to watch all flanks.  Instead, most of my teammates were dying because a lot of them were clustering near the big box on the T side of tunnels while the others were rushing to their deaths, one by one, when they ran toward A.

Also, I don't remember getting shot in the head by my teammate.  If I did, I would have said something.

Mr.Tea Wrote:The picture that is painted on a 2v11 "suicide rush" and save the awp.  Again, I waited until 30 secs because that is plenty of time to make forward movement to the objective.  Not running straight to the objective and being wiped out, but making some sort of offensive move.

Again, I was in the same situation I was in before.  I was at underpass when the rest of my team died in tunnels.  CTs were pushing tunnels so I stayed back to AWP them from underpass when they came out.  If I killed enough of them, I would have rushed tunnels or perhaps underpass if I had enough time left.

Mr.Tea Wrote:This is not a situational slay.  Where I watched him 1 round and slayed for not doing the objectives.  I've observed the entire match.  He was slow playing both rnds that I had to notify T's of time remaining. That led to my slay of the terrorists left alive the second time for not making any attempt to do the objectives. 

Once again, refer to this thread, I was making an attempt to do the objectives.

Mr.Tea Wrote:This would require peeking to see if anyone was there.  If you would have attempted to enter the tunnels and be attacked by overwhelming cts is one thing, but you were using stand-off picking them off. 

So basically you admitted that I should have committed suicide by rushing into tunnels when I knew CTs would be there by your comment about "being attacked by overwhelming cts."  Committing suicide has nothing to do with not "Ignoring game objectives."  In fact, I'm ignoring the next round's game objectives if I choose to lose all of my weapons, armor, and grenades.

Mr.Tea Wrote:It was de_dust...when players are aloud to not do the objectives.  It turns into 2:30 minutes of 10 players wasting everyone else's time. Just like aztec, italy, and assault.

So now it's the map's fault you abused your admin?
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OwnageHN Wrote:
Loks Wrote:i clearly remeber Mr.Tea always saying ownage is cool he not hacks and see wath he got a admin abuse report by ownage just because one slay!! O_O

Admin abuse is admin abuse.  I'm not going to show favoritism toward an admin abuser just because he knows that I don't cheat.  I also shouldn't have to kiss an admin's ass just to not be admin abused.

I think what loks was referring to, that again, and again, your entire defense on admin abuse threads is; Admins are angry at me because I'm better than them at this game. Loks is pointing out that Mr. Tea who has shown no signs of disliking you, has used admin on you being unbiased.

OwnageHN Wrote:
Loks Wrote:I watched the demo and Mr.Tea give him a warning 2 rounds before than Ts won 2 rounds! in the round ownage is slayed he was the bomb guy!! if i was Mr.Tea i will do the same thing!!!

His warning "2 rounds before" was for an illogical reason.  The odds were against me, and like many others agreed, it would have been dumb of me to commit suicide.  If anything, this was a warning to be admin abused.

Also, could someone else confirm that I was the bomber when I got slayed?  From what I remember, it was down somewhere near CT side of underpass.  Regardless, when I was slayed, I was pinned down by a CT in tunnels so there was no way for me to advance without killing him.  After I killed him, there still could have been 10 CTs in the tunnels since one of my teammates was pretty deep into underpass.  The logical thing to have done at this point was to either kill off all of the CTs that came rushing out of tunnels and potentially winning, or save the weapon for next round so our chances of winning would be greater than if I were to have died.

I'm pretty sure public servers came before CAL-like scrimmages, so the concept of "saving" isn't some new idea exclusive to the latter.

I would never consider someone who is trying to do the map objective and maintain a peaceful fun experience for all players involved as " dumb ".
Also, arguing when the concept of saving is irrelevant, as we are talking about the server rules and how they pertain to the way you don't follow them.

OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:Just to re-iterate:
1st warning he was the last guy for over 1minute.  I made him aware of the objectives at 30 seconds because he was camp picking guys in a 1 vs 6.  It was 1 vs 6 because his team attempted to push which he did not support.  He was overwatching a flank, which is a valid tactic.  However, if you watch all the red dots disappear and don't do anything to support.  Nothing tactical about that.

If I remember this correctly, I was watching underpass (covering a flank) after a CT pushed (he died) while the last of my teammates died in the tunnels within a few seconds.  When I started to make my way to the tunnels, CTs had already almost pushed out of the tunnels.  With an AWP, less than half health, and the potential for them to have grenades ready, I was not going to rush into the tunnels to get potentially naded and overran.  I instead watched a CT run out of tunnels toward T spawn so I rotated around back to kill him (and killed him.)  At this time, I imagined others CTs rushing out of tunnels going toward underpass side to try and flank me, so I had to stay in my position to kill both sides of their potentially split forces.  This pinned me down in my position and forced me to save for the next round.
The other team cannot force you to do anything... Blaming other players for the actions you choose to take is not going to make a good argument either.

OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:The slay round he bait/awped in the tunnels on dust.  No problem with that tactic, but if you bait/awp your whole team and its you and some other dude camping in a 2v11.  That was your poor choice of strategy.  You were prompted at 30 secs about maybe looking at the objectives, but you stayed and waited.  The person that I warned for shooting you in the head was obviously frustrated with you not using the awp to pust forward.  Regardless, I warned him about shooting snipers in the head.

I was not baiting my teammates.  A sniper cannot bait their teammates in a close quarter battle.  Why would anyone expect a sniper to go in first?  Furthermore, if I was standing back, then that's because my teammates shouldn't have been in the tunnel in the configuration they were standing in.  To be able to control tunnels as a T, you must be able to watch all flanks.  Instead, most of my teammates were dying because most of the players were clustering near the big box on the T side of tunnels while the others were rushing to their deaths, one by one, when they ran toward A.

Also, I don't remember getting shot in the head by my teammate.  If I did, I would have said something.

I use sniper rifles quite a bit, and I don't seem to have a hard time getting into a gunfight in a server that does not involve being a mile away from people. While I do acknowledge that a sniper is more effect at long range, you must realize that this is first and foremost a team orientated server.


OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:The picture that is painted on a 2v11 "suicide rush" and save the awp.  Again, I waited until 30 secs because that is plenty of time to make forward movement to the objective.  Not running straight to the objective and being wiped out, but making some sort of offensive move.

Again, I was in the same situation I was in before.  I was at underpass when the rest of my team died in tunnels.  CTs were pushing tunnels so I stayed back to AWP them from underpass when they came out.  If I killed enough of them, I would have rushed tunnels or perhaps underpass if I had enough time left.
Regardless if you killed what you believe to be “enough " of them, does not change the fact that our rules suggest players should try and achieve the objective of either planting the bomb, or killing all the counter terrorists from your position. If you are waiting for them to rush you, then that is not showing us, that you are taking the initiative to do the objective.

OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:This is not a situational slay.  Where I watched him 1 round and slayed for not doing the objectives.  I've observed the entire match.  He was slow playing both rnds that I had to notify T's of time remaining. That led to my slay of the terrorists left alive the second time for not making any attempt to do the objectives. 

Once again, refer to this thread, I was making an attempt to do the objectives.
This is still yet to be proven, by our server rules.
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:This would require peeking to see if anyone was there.  If you would have attempted to enter the tunnels and be attacked by overwhelming cts is one thing, but you were using stand-off picking them off. 

So basically you admitted that I should have committed suicide by rushing into tunnels when I knew CTs would be there by your comment about "being attacked by overwhelming cts."  Committing suicide has nothing to do with not "Ignoring game objectives."  In fact, I'm ignoring the next round's game objectives if I choose to lose all of my weapons, armor, and grenades.
Rushing into tunnels, would not be committing suicide. Opening console and typing "kill" would be committing suicide.

OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:It was de_dust...when players are aloud to not do the objectives.  It turns into 2:30 minutes of 10 players wasting everyone else's time. Just like aztec, italy, and assault.

So now it's the map's fault you abused your admin?
*sigh*
#74
Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Loks Wrote:i clearly remeber Mr.Tea always saying ownage is cool he not hacks and see wath he got a admin abuse report by ownage just because one slay!! O_O

Admin abuse is admin abuse.  I'm not going to show favoritism toward an admin abuser just because he knows that I don't cheat.  I also shouldn't have to kiss an admin's ass just to not be admin abused.

I think what loks was referring to, that again, and again, your entire defense on admin abuse threads is; Admins are angry at me because I'm better than them at this game. Loks is pointing out that Mr. Tea who has shown no signs of disliking you, has used admin on you being unbiased.

Loks was not referring to "admins are angry at me because I'm better than them at this game."  When did I mention that Mr. Tea was angry at me because I'm better than he is?

Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Loks Wrote:I watched the demo and Mr.Tea give him a warning 2 rounds before than Ts won 2 rounds! in the round ownage is slayed he was the bomb guy!! if i was Mr.Tea i will do the same thing!!!

His warning "2 rounds before" was for an illogical reason.  The odds were against me, and like many others agreed, it would have been dumb of me to commit suicide.  If anything, this was a warning to be admin abused.

Also, could someone else confirm that I was the bomber when I got slayed?  From what I remember, it was down somewhere near CT side of underpass.  Regardless, when I was slayed, I was pinned down by a CT in tunnels so there was no way for me to advance without killing him.  After I killed him, there still could have been 10 CTs in the tunnels since one of my teammates was pretty deep into underpass.  The logical thing to have done at this point was to either kill off all of the CTs that came rushing out of tunnels and potentially winning, or save the weapon for next round so our chances of winning would be greater than if I were to have died.

I'm pretty sure public servers came before CAL-like scrimmages, so the concept of "saving" isn't some new idea exclusive to the latter.

I would never consider someone who is trying to do the map objective and maintain a peaceful fun experience for all players involved as " dumb ".
Also, arguing when the concept of saving is irrelevant, as we are talking about the server rules and how they pertain to the way you don't follow them.

It would have been dumb to rush into tunnels with almost no health with the odds stacked against me.  If they don't enjoy sitting around dead spectating, then they should be interested in winning rounds.  To increase the chance of them winning rounds, it would be in their best interest for me to save the team some money and save my weapon, armor, and grenades.

I'm also following the rules.  You may want to take a look at this thread that you're posting in.

Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:Just to re-iterate:
1st warning he was the last guy for over 1minute.  I made him aware of the objectives at 30 seconds because he was camp picking guys in a 1 vs 6.  It was 1 vs 6 because his team attempted to push which he did not support.  He was overwatching a flank, which is a valid tactic.  However, if you watch all the red dots disappear and don't do anything to support.  Nothing tactical about that.

If I remember this correctly, I was watching underpass (covering a flank) after a CT pushed (he died) while the last of my teammates died in the tunnels within a few seconds.  When I started to make my way to the tunnels, CTs had already almost pushed out of the tunnels.  With an AWP, less than half health, and the potential for them to have grenades ready, I was not going to rush into the tunnels to get potentially naded and overran.  I instead watched a CT run out of tunnels toward T spawn so I rotated around back to kill him (and killed him.)  At this time, I imagined others CTs rushing out of tunnels going toward underpass side to try and flank me, so I had to stay in my position to kill both sides of their potentially split forces.  This pinned me down in my position and forced me to save for the next round.
The other team cannot force you to do anything... Blaming other players for the actions you choose to take is not going to make a good argument either.

I was forced because I'm not going to work against my team by increasing the chances of losing the team's money from dying, which would decrease the chances of winning the next round, which would increase the chances that they would die and sit watching others play.

Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:The slay round he bait/awped in the tunnels on dust.  No problem with that tactic, but if you bait/awp your whole team and its you and some other dude camping in a 2v11.  That was your poor choice of strategy.  You were prompted at 30 secs about maybe looking at the objectives, but you stayed and waited.  The person that I warned for shooting you in the head was obviously frustrated with you not using the awp to pust forward.  Regardless, I warned him about shooting snipers in the head.

I was not baiting my teammates.  A sniper cannot bait their teammates in a close quarter battle.  Why would anyone expect a sniper to go in first?  Furthermore, if I was standing back, then that's because my teammates shouldn't have been in the tunnel in the configuration they were standing in.  To be able to control tunnels as a T, you must be able to watch all flanks.  Instead, most of my teammates were dying because most of the players were clustering near the big box on the T side of tunnels while the others were rushing to their deaths, one by one, when they ran toward A.

Also, I don't remember getting shot in the head by my teammate.  If I did, I would have said something.

I use sniper rifles quite a bit, and I don't seem to have a hard time getting into a gunfight in a server that does not involve being a mile away from people. While I do acknowledge that a sniper is more effect at long range, you must realize that this is first and foremost a team orientated server.

Because it's a team oriented server is the whole reason why I chose to save the AWP.  Your point is not helping your case.

Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:The picture that is painted on a 2v11 "suicide rush" and save the awp.  Again, I waited until 30 secs because that is plenty of time to make forward movement to the objective.  Not running straight to the objective and being wiped out, but making some sort of offensive move.

Again, I was in the same situation I was in before.  I was at underpass when the rest of my team died in tunnels.  CTs were pushing tunnels so I stayed back to AWP them from underpass when they came out.  If I killed enough of them, I would have rushed tunnels or perhaps underpass if I had enough time left.
Regardless if you killed what you believe to be “enough " of them, does not change the fact that our rules suggest players should try and achieve the objective of either planting the bomb, or killing all the counter terrorists from your position. If you are waiting for them to rush you, then that is not showing us, that you are taking the initiative to do the objective.

I cannot advance if I know there is a CT in the tunnel before killing him first, especially when I have low health and there could be more CTs in the tunnel.  The most I can do is kill them when they come out, which happens, and I have won many rounds by CTs rushing when they shouldn't.

Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:This is not a situational slay.  Where I watched him 1 round and slayed for not doing the objectives.  I've observed the entire match.  He was slow playing both rnds that I had to notify T's of time remaining. That led to my slay of the terrorists left alive the second time for not making any attempt to do the objectives. 

Once again, refer to this thread, I was making an attempt to do the objectives.
This is still yet to be proven, by our server rules.

Yet again making hypocritical statements?

Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:This would require peeking to see if anyone was there.  If you would have attempted to enter the tunnels and be attacked by overwhelming cts is one thing, but you were using stand-off picking them off. 

So basically you admitted that I should have committed suicide by rushing into tunnels when I knew CTs would be there by your comment about "being attacked by overwhelming cts."  Committing suicide has nothing to do with not "Ignoring game objectives."  In fact, I'm ignoring the next round's game objectives if I choose to lose all of my weapons, armor, and grenades.
Rushing into tunnels, would not be committing suicide. Opening console and typing "kill" would be committing suicide.

Rushing into tunnels when there is at least one and up to ten enemies in it, while at low health, is as close to committing suicide as jumping off the Empire State Building.  Now you want to argue the chance of you living after impact?
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Besides all ignoring the points and being a broken record. 

I'll highlight this:
Quote:Once again, refer to this thread, I was making an attempt to do the objectives.
You did nothing of the sort.  Citing a dictionary.  Not really going to do the circle logic with you again.

Quote:So basically you admitted that I should have committed suicide by rushing into tunnels when I knew CTs would be there by your comment about "being attacked by overwhelming cts."  Committing suicide has nothing to do with not "Ignoring game objectives."  In fact, I'm ignoring the next round's game objectives if I choose to lose all of my weapons, armor, and grenades.

Stop putting words into my mouth.  Twisting ideas, claiming illogical reasons, and incorrectly citing definitions

You were not being attacked by overwhelming cts, they were spread out on their side of the map.  You had no idea of this, because you were hanging back and waiting for them to come to you.  Again, if you would have moved forward you would have ID the enemy.  Please do not twist this out of context. 

Example, Today I was on dust_2.  T's planted B.  I was long A.  It was 2 v 7.  If I would have just sat there at long A and done nothing, knowing that the bomb was planted.  I am not doing the objectives.  I moved to ct spwn where I saw 3 T's coming out of B. 

If I would have been engaged there, fought until bomb, and survived with them dying.  I was trying to do the objectives. No slay.

Please try to refrain from responding to this post if you don't have anything further to comment besides:
Tea abused Ownage for slaying not completing objectives on the map for the second round.
Got it.  There were overwhelming odds.
Got it.  Even though I notified you previously that there is an objective on that map.
Got it.  You were saving the weapon because you were strategically planning to win the war.
Got it.  You don't agree with my judgement.

I slayed you for a trend, not a single event.

Admin abuse is me slaying you without warning.  Not doing something when someone is violating a server rule.  Making up my own rules on the servers.  Harrassing players with the functions.  Or using my admin Quid Pro Quo.  List goes on and on.

BTW you were being shot in head.  i was happening to spec the person doing it you.  So, do not imply i am making that up. 

Wow..Saved the awp for your team's benefit not your own.  That is an interesting conclusion.  So, I must have missed those drop weapons you donated to the team.  You saved the awp, so you could awp next round.  If the team won, good.  If not, you would have slow played and saved. 


 
#76
Mr.Tea Wrote:You were not being attacked by overwhelming cts, they were spread out on their side of the map.  You had no idea of this, because you were hanging back and waiting for them to come to you.  Again, if you would have moved forward you would have ID the enemy.  Please do not twist this out of context.

I saw at least one CT at tunnels.  That's enough to assume that there are more there.  It's basic logic.  There is no context twisting.

Mr.Tea Wrote:I slayed you for a trend, not a single event.

There was no trend of "Ignoring game objectives."  In fact, there was no trend of me being the last one alive, neither.

Mr.Tea Wrote:Admin abuse is me slaying you without warning.  Not doing something when someone is violating a server rule.  Making up my own rules on the servers.  Harrassing players with the functions.  Or using my admin Quid Pro Quo.  List goes on and on.

You were making up your own rules about the interpretation of "Ignoring game objectives."  This is evident in this thread.

Mr.Tea Wrote:BTW you were being shot in head.  i was happening to spec the person doing it you.  So, do not imply i am making that up. 

Since you have the demo, you have the ability to notice if my screen went upward or not while "being shot in the head."  If it didn't go upward, then I didn't notice myself getting shot in the head by my teammate.

Mr.Tea Wrote:Wow..Saved the awp for your team's benefit not your own.  That is an interesting conclusion.  So, I must have missed those drop weapons you donated to the team.  You saved the awp, so you could awp next round.  If the team won, good.  If not, you would have slow played and saved. 

This is an interesting conclusion.  It seems as though you are speculating negatively toward me so I am still not surprised you twisted your interpretation of "Ignoring game objectives" to fit your own feelings toward me.
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#77
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:Wow..Saved the awp for your team's benefit not your own.  That is an interesting conclusion.  So, I must have missed those drop weapons you donated to the team.  You saved the awp, so you could awp next round.  If the team won, good.  If not, you would have slow played and saved. 

This is an interesting conclusion.  It seems as though you are speculating negatively toward me so I am still not surprised you twisted your interpretation of "Ignoring game objectives" to fit your own feelings toward me.

Ohh god, I laughed so hard at that response, on so many levels.

here we go again...

" Admins don't like me "

You are literally, beating this topic to death with the same arguments from he first page. Just stop for a second, and wait for the case to be investigated.
#78
Rabbit Wrote:
OwnageHN Wrote:
Mr.Tea Wrote:Wow..Saved the awp for your team's benefit not your own.  That is an interesting conclusion.  So, I must have missed those drop weapons you donated to the team.  You saved the awp, so you could awp next round.  If the team won, good.  If not, you would have slow played and saved. 

This is an interesting conclusion.  It seems as though you are speculating negatively toward me so I am still not surprised you twisted your interpretation of "Ignoring game objectives" to fit your own feelings toward me.

Ohh god, I laughed so hard at that response, on so many levels.

here we go again...

" Admins don't like me "

You are literally, beating this topic to death with the same arguments from he first page. Just stop for a second, and wait for the case to be investigated.

I never said, "Admins don't like me," and are you being hypocritical again?
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#79
Its not his fault that the thread is 6 pages. Its also admins' fault for replying. If you guys want it to stop, then don't reply to his reports.
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or just make a plugin!
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